Talk:Tigress

When does Artemis even appear? The third episode? The fourth? I've only seen two (Independence day part 1 and 2) and she isn't even in them!

-AzukogirlAzukogirl 02:45, January 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's true, but I'm expecting a kick-ass introductory episode! -- Supermorff 14:49, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * If she doesn't appear by episode ten (fifteen if i'm feeling generous), heads are gonna roll.Azukogirl 01:44, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * YES! I get to see her on Friday. New threat: If they don't make her good, heads are gonna roll.Azukogirl 04:54, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * If she doesn't appear by episode ten (fifteen if i'm feeling generous), heads are gonna roll.Azukogirl 01:44, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * YES! I get to see her on Friday. New threat: If they don't make her good, heads are gonna roll.Azukogirl 04:54, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * YES! I get to see her on Friday. New threat: If they don't make her good, heads are gonna roll.Azukogirl 04:54, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Identity
Cassandra Cain? Daughter of Sandra Wu-San, Lady Shiva?

Sandra is a top notch assassin in the League/Society of Shadows/Assassins and had a daughter who started working with Batman. The assassin in the fox could totally pass for Shiva and being the daughter of a known assassin would be some pretty good black mail material.


 * "The assassin in the fox"? Do you mean Cheshire? Cheshire wears a cat mask. -- Supermorff 17:46, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Artemis...Crock?
Where was this stated? -- Aliana * Anima della tundra! 17:58, March 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * In the episode "Downtime", on the letter she got accepting her to Gotham City Academy. -- Supermorff 18:20, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Profile Picture
Artemis's profile picture could be better. The current one is an editted(?) screencap and is bad quality. A better and brighter image would be better.

Thepyve 21:32, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree, but the brightest one I can find is this one (right). Thoughts? -- Supermorff 19:34, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * I saw that one when I was re-watching for images last night, but I think it is too side on. We should use it until we can find another to replace it. I did find images for Miss Martian if you could head over to her talk page. :) Rassilon of Old  (Talk - TTFF - Teru) 19:39, March 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * The current image is the best option available considering the number of episodes Artemis was in. The quality is bad because the scene took place at night. The image is a textbook profile image (shows her face and upper body). If we are to change it, it should be for a better one, which is not the case with the proposed image. Can't we just... wait? ―  T hailog  20:12, March 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * The problem is that the majority of the series takes place at night, and the current image has quality issues entirely unrelated to how dark the background is. But, yeah, we should go with the best image available, and I doubt my headshot is the best image. -- Supermorff 20:21, March 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * The quality is bad because #1 it's not a DVD capture, #2 was cropped and #3 was brightened because it was so dark. ―  T hailog  20:28, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright, so keep on the look out then, on both the web, and the episodes. Rassilon of Old  (Talk - TTFF - Teru) 20:31, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Infobox image change proposal
Right, so I found these two when I was looking for a quote, so I quickly screencapped 'em, and uploaded them. The only problem is that they might be too close up. Anyway, they are generally the same, except for the way she is facing. Take your pick. Rassilon of Old (Talk - TTFF - Teru) 10:47, March 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Good pictures, but a bit dark. -- Supermorff 10:59, April 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Still a extreme close ups. I'm going to try to replace the current one with a higher quality version. ―  T hailog  11:36, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Good luck. I have tried looking, but my copy of "Infiltrator" is not very good quality, at least not in the frame of Artemis' current profile image. Rassilon of Old  (Talk - TTFF - Teru) 15:03, April 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * How's that? ―  T hailog  19:19, April 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Very good. -- Supermorff 20:10, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Is she the spy?
One of the members of the Light said they had an operative on the inside and i think it's pretty safe to say that it's Artemis i mean who else is there?


 * This is really more appropriate for a blog or a forum. Talk page is for discussion of the article, not the character. See User_blog:Ankit09/Is artemis spying on young justice? or User blog:LupusLover/Superboy, Red Tornado, or Artemis?. -- Supermorff 10:59, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Artemis and ... family?
So after watching Homefront, It was obvious to me that Cheshire is Artemis' sister. i even remember catching some unwanted tension when Cheshire and Artemis spoke to one another at the end of Infiltrator. And there is the mother as well, Paula Crock.

It is stated that Paula is a reformed criminal and she became parylized during a theft that let him get away, that paula took the wrap for.

There's even unwanted attitude and communication [and possibly more] between sports master and cheshire. Sports Master could possibly be the father. Cheshire and Sports Master do quarrel a lot, and i do remember Cheshire saying to him "it had to be you ... " when SM rescued her from prison, and then being chased by Red Arrow.

Sports Master's hair is the same color as Artemis', and Cheshire has the same color hair as Paula. There's a reason why that family is disfunctional and Cheshire (whatever her real name is) had to run away.

Content Removal
What the heck happened to all the content on Artemis' page? What happened to her abilities section and her personality section? Why on earth was all the content from her history section cut out? Please tell me this was some kind of mistake. --LLight 01:01, October 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * If you mean earlier today, it was vandalism. Other than that, I did some major cleanup yesterday. The history section was written fairly badly (nothing personal). I rewrote it to fit the new MoS, and clipped a lot. I removed the Homefront bit, I'm planning to do that today (or you can do it). I hadn't gotten to the abilities section yet, didn't mean to remove that. --Tupka 217 06:21, October 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * And we can't thank you enough. ―  T hailog  08:38, October 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * What is the new "Mos"? I do not want my arduous edits cleaned out again in the future due to some new guidelines. --LLight 16:18, October 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * MoS. Young Justice Wiki: Manual of Style. And as for cleaning out, it's necessary to do that sometimes. Artemis' article simply had stuff added to it every time a new episode came out, with little regard for overall cohesion. Especially her early life section was bad, as it only was written from the perspective of the Team, following the events of "Schooled"... issues #7 and #8 were cited on so many places in the article, but nobody bothered to rewrite that section. The intro was more of an early life section anyway so I moved most of that. The relationships section was outdated and had trivial stuff made much bigger than it actually was, especially on Red Arrow and Kid Flash (since that has an own page, not much is needed here). The personality section was a list of things, with no clear structure. As for the rest, I'm concise. I may be too concise. By all means, add stuff or rewrite parts, but keep track of the overall picture. --Tupka 217 16:34, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Didn't we have some information on this page about Artemis being modelled on Vic Cook's daughter? Did I imagine it, or if not where did it go? We should add it back (and on Victor Cook's page too, maybe). -- Supermorff (talk) 12:43, January 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've seen it on Ask Greg. Don't know if we ever had it on here. --Tupka 217 13:44, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Physical Appearance
Describing Artermis as "fair-skinned" is inaccurate. She is half-Vietnamese and it shows in her skin tone and facial features. Here's apicture comparing her skin tone to the characters Kid Flash, Robin, and Superboy. Compared to these three full white characters who would be considered "fair-skinned" in the show, her skin is clearly darker. It's brown. Yes, it's a paler and cooler brown in tone compared to Aqualad's or Rocket's darker and warmer brown skin, but her skin is brown nonetheless. Not "fair".


 * "Fair-skinned" is a term used for the light varieties of non-white skin tones. It's accurate. --Tupka 217 (talk 08:01, April 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've never heard the term "fair-skinned" used that way. Or, more accurately, when I've heard it used it meant light varieties of all skin tones, including Caucasian. Since she is less fair than her Caucasian-skinned teammates, using the term seems inaccurate. -- Supermorff (talk) 09:29, April 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Nonetheless, she's neither "brown", nor "yellow". Not even "olive" like her sister. Maybe fair olive? --Tupka 217 (talk 09:35, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Unlike the differences in their hair color and eye color, Artemis and Jade share similar skin tones. This being one example. There is little variation between Artemis and her mother Paula, who is full Vietnamese (example). If there is a difference, it seems to small to consider Artemis the "fair olive-skinned" one of the two sisters. She would simply be "olive-skinned". I would also like to point out that generally Southeast Asians, including Vietnamese, are considered to have brown skin. Supamaneuvar 09:57, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * The "brown" name can be used for a lot of people, ranging from dark skinned Mediterranean Europeans to Arabs to Pakistani, to South-East Asians. Same for Olive, by the way. It always looked to me Artemis was a notch lighter than Jade, but yeah, in the flashback, she's pretty dark.
 * So, okay, drop the fair, take olive instead. --Tupka 217 (talk 10:12, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am aware that "olive" can described the skin tone of South-East Asians. It is just that using that descriptor often gets miscontrued and the character in question is assumed to be full Caucasian when that is not the case. But I digress, describing Artemis as "olive-skinned" would be accurate. Supamaneuvar 20:03, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

2016 profile image
Although this would be more appropriate for PIC, I thought I'd start her first to see what you think. She looked a lot better onscreen, here she looks a little butch. -- Anythingspossibleforapossible 22:07, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I forgot, it's probably temporary. -- Anythingspossibleforapossible 22:09, May 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's a temp. We'll get to adjustments when the HD comes out. --Tupka 217 22:12, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

You know, it still wasn't discussed when HQ ones were available. -- Anythingspossibleforapossible 06:48, May 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Feel free to upload more suggestions. No one else did, so we didn't have PIC yet. --Tupka 217 07:06, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Background in other media
Shouldn't we also write about her appearance in the DCnU (Teen Titans Annual)???

I know that noone has officialy announced that Artemis from that issue was Artemis Crock but I think it was obvious and there were many clues, the name, her hair, her uniform...at least I think we should mention that a similar character to Artemis Crock appeared in that comic book...what do you think? -- TG90 18:39, March 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think that's needed. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 16:13, May 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Why?...I think that if we have already written about her history in the Pre-Flashpoint DCU we should also mention her appearance in the DCnU...-- TG90 14:55, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you have a statement from the writers that it's her, go ahead. Artemis Crock is not the only "Artemis" in the DC universe. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 14:42, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure I want include that appearance, especially since that Artemis was introduced AND killed in the same issue. I don't want to admit the canon immigrant was stuffed in the fridge. (Caution: clicking the links to tvtropes may be hazardous to your free time) - Edited by Zergrinch - 15:06, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Artemis in TBATB
Is this her or not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chyf_lU-YLs - Edited by Zergrinch - 15:29, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yes the little girl in the backseat is Artemis Crock.-- TG90 14:36, May 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. I could've sworn it was on the page already. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 13:08, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Boyfriend
Someone just added her boyfriend under relatives in the infobox... boyfriends aren't relatives..? Right? 19:01, May 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * No. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 19:04, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * lol, thought so. 19:12, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

I just hate when people try and classify pets, boyfriends and girlfriends as relatives. -- Anythingspossibleforapossible 20:16, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Her Death
Um so we shouldn't say she is dead should we that is just a plot thing rightBaneares 19:08, June 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, she's not dead. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 19:12, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Glamour charm skin
Hey all,

New guy here, been lurking on the site for a while, and loved how helpful everything has been. You all have done a great job.

Recently, I was looking at the article for Artemis, and I noticed a disturbing little tidbit. In the appearance section, where the OP described Artemis' appearance after wearing Zatanna's glamour charm, the OP described Artemis as a "pale skinned Caucasian girl with black hair"

After looking at the picture of Artemis, and the reflection in the barrel more closely, it looks to me that the glamour charm actually made Artemis look like an African American girl, not a pale skinned caucasian.

Before I moved to make an edit, though, I wanted to pose the question and the opportunity to examine to the picture to the community.

So what do you guys/gals think?

Kumisifurimoja (talk) 15:53, August 25, 2012 (UTC)kumisifurimoja


 * That's just the reflection. The rest of the shots show she's white. -- Tupka 217 16:21, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

New Name?
-		 -	So is she going to change her name to linda park?--FossilLord 03:33, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Okay obviously i need to specific Artemis is of Vietnamese ancestry last time i checked as is Linda Park last time i checked the most recent Retcon. now with the glamour charm her hair is now black do i need to draw anymore parallels?