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  • Thread to discuss the next three episodes, "Evolution," "Triptych" and "Home Fires."

    "You got a baby in there". Pack up everyone, Amistad Ervin is now my favorite character. Nothing else mattered.

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    • Oh my, so much to unpack here. These episodes definitely require a second viewing to take everything in. But let's start with a few...

      • We know why Vandal Savage willingly works alongside Darkseid.
      • We know who are the current members of the Light (though I thought Ultrahumanite was Gorilla Grodd at first).
      • We know what the Goode Goggles are really for... but is Bruce Wayne's partnership with Gretchen Goode actually designed for Bruce to find out the truth?
      • It sure looks like that Batman and Kaldur'ahm were both in on what Batman's plans were during that League meeting... and Miss Martian was the only other one present who knew.
      • The Light may know about Nightwing's Outsiders, but I imagine the Light doesn't know that he's working with leaders of the other hero groups.
      • Finally, I'm betting Cassandra Savage doesn't abide by her father's wish and keeps that documentation of his adventures.
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    • Interesting that they went for Cassandra and not Scandal. This is the second New 52 character, after Henry Fyff. Casey Klebba is the third.

      David Kaye is a surprisingly good Vandal.

      Cyborg name drop, and his dad appeared.

      I liked the anachronistic storytelling in "Triptych". Also, Orphan. Does that also count as a New 52 character?

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    • I'm presuming Granny Goodness is an agent of Apokolips (based on the comics books) and the Light intends to betray her. I'd argue her seat is an example of keep your enemies closer. Arguably, the Light will betray her just as the did with the Reach.

      My gut tells me that Ra's (though technically not lying when he said he is no longer part of the Light) is still actively involved based on his report to the Light about what occurred on Infinity Island. I have little doubt that he will return to the fold and take his place on the Light when the time is right.

      Additionally just as Black Manta assumed Ocean Master's seat after appearing to be his subordinate in season, did anyone else catch the similar pattern with the new members? The tie-in comics showed that Ultra-Humanite was a subordinate of the Brain and Deathstroke was most directly supervised by Black Manta in season 2.

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    • "Evolution" may be the best episode yet. It will be hard to top it. Savage now is more than just a "villain who thinks he's the hero of his story".

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    • I think Evolution was the best story so far, but Triptych wins it for storytelling for me. That comes close to "Misplaced".

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    • Will there was things I like about each episodes. There are things I that make me want to pull my hair out. The series in my opinion is overrated. Having Batman, being part of some covert plan and that why he resigned from the League, didn't set well with this Batman fan. Those, I like seeing the Robin, and the others.

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    • Would you rather have he throws a hissyfit like he did in the comics?

      The show isn't called Batman.

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    • No, but the series should be called Young Drama or Stupid Justice. Season 3 doesn't even feel connecting to the other two seasons, other than some minus throw away lines.

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    • Complainers said the same at the start of season 2.

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    • Tupka217 wrote: Complainers said the same at the start of season 2.

      Was about to say that. lol

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    • Tupka217 wrote: Complainers said the same at the start of season 2.

      Doesn't mean it is not still valid. Season 2, in my opinion, was worse than Season 1 (primarily because of the 5 years time jump), which in my opinion as someone who write their own stories is a cheap trick.

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    • It's an opinion.

      Anyway, Shade's design is awesome. I just don't get why the animation is so inconsistent within one single episode. The bit with Robin's squad looked like it was animated by a different studio than the rest of the episode.

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    • Thailog wrote: It's an opinion.

      Everything is an opinion. They probably had multiple studios working on multiple episodes, because the order for episodes was original going to be 13, but then it became 26.

      Here is a question: does the entire Vandal/Darkseid alliance make any sense? Or how about that it is the Light is older than the Justice League, whereas originally it was created in response to the Justice League?

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    • Allen Knott wrote: Everything is an opinion. They probably had multiple studios working on multiple episodes, because the order for episodes was original going to be 13, but then it became 26.

      "Triptych" was animated only by DR Movie. And they've always said 26 episodes. No one has ever said the order was originally 13.

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    • I'm a screenwriter and time jumps are a great literary device that allows for storytellers to move forward in time while still being able to keep secrets from an audience. Just like in Season 2, as the season went on we began to learn a little bit here and there about what had happened in the past few years. It keeps things fresh and is a great tool for television series and even more so in animated series because you don't have to worry about actors visibly aging.

      I'm willing to bet that we will eventually get a season of YJ that takes place within that five year gap. Quite possibly right in the middle of it allowing two years before and two years after. I'm not sure if a potential season 4 would do that, but they have a lot of options for what they do next.

      Could be set within the 5 year gap, remember it was a very different team then full of characters we haven't really seen (Lt. Marvel, Sgt. Marvel, Troia's Wonder Girl career, Garth and Tula as team members, plus Jason Todd as Robin! Another option would be to just follow up Season 3 with a season set directly after it or shortly after, maybe a few months a part, and I feel like this is the most likely possibility right now.

      BUT as seen with Home Fires... there are a lot of youngsters that could make a very interesting Team in the future: Jonathan Kent II, Dawn & Don Allen, Anissa & Jennifer Pierce, Amistad Ervin, Artur, Traya Sutton, Lian Harper, and we just saw a young child that's more than likely Damian Wayne a couple episodes ago. Plus Steel is a member of the League, so Natasha Irons is a possibility. I could even see them doing Connor Hawke/Queen somehow.

      These episodes were definitely packed with lots of goodies :)

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    • It's not new for studios to outsource stuff if they're short on time.

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    • Thailog wrote: "Triptych" was animated only by DR Movie. And they've always said 26 episodes. No one has ever said the order was originally 13.

      It that base on anything or just your opinion? I could be wrong on the number of episodes but it seems that 13 was the original plan but "Part 2" was announced.

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    • Austin K. Damisi wrote: I'm a screenwriter and time jumps are a great literary device that allows for storytellers to move forward in time while still being able to keep secrets from an audience. Just like in Season 2, as the season went on we began to learn a little bit here and there about what had happened in the past few years. It keeps things fresh and is a great tool for television series and even more so in animated series because you don't have to worry about actors visibly aging.

      I write stories too, wanted to make films and series, had pitched ideas to studies before and it is still a cheap writing trick. Funny, how most of the comments I had seen dislike the time jumps. I read an article that the time jump at the end of Season 1 had nothing to do with the story, it was because they could finally use Wonder Girl.

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    • Allen Knott wrote: I read an article that the time jump at the end of Season 1 had nothing to do with the story, it was because they could finally use Wonder Girl.

      Those two events are not related.

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    • Tupka217 wrote:

      Allen Knott wrote: I read an article that the time jump at the end of Season 1 had nothing to do with the story, it was because they could finally use Wonder Girl.

      Those two events are not related.

      Do you have anything to support that statement? An article, a quote by someone working on the show/writing for the show? Anything?

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    • even though they were allowed to use her last season they still didn't use as often as the OG team.

      The time skip was for story reasons, its the same reason why they did a ime skip between Season 2 and 3

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    • RobjayRin wrote: even though they were allowed to use her last season they still didn't use as often as the OG team.

      The time skip was for story reasons, its the same reason why they did a time skip between Season 2 and 3

      What is the justification? One time jump is one thing, but they had done it twice (the real world time gap between Season 2 and 3 doesn't matter since it's an animated series). The only justification I can find is it allows the plot to move forward without them had to come up with storylines to get the audience there. Which is why it's a cheap trick. Did the five years gap between Season 1 and 2 do anything to affect Season 2? It could have been more or less and it wasn't had affected the storyline.

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    • Allen Knott wrote:

      Tupka217 wrote:

      Allen Knott wrote: I read an article that the time jump at the end of Season 1 had nothing to do with the story, it was because they could finally use Wonder Girl.

      Those two events are not related.

      Do you have anything to support that statement? An article, a quote by someone working on the show/writing for the show? Anything?

      Do you? Does that article?

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    • Tupka217 wrote:

      Allen Knott wrote:

      Tupka217 wrote:

      Allen Knott wrote: I read an article that the time jump at the end of Season 1 had nothing to do with the story, it was because they could finally use Wonder Girl.

      Those two events are not related.

      Do you have anything to support that statement? An article, a quote by someone working on the show/writing for the show? Anything?

      Do you? Does that article?

      I will look and see if I can find the article again. It had been a while since I read it. If I can I will post a link.

      So, do you have any evidence to support your statement or is that "not related" your opinion?

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    • The purpose of the time skip is to allow for a new status quo that's full of questions that audience has to ask. Like why is Robin Nightwing? Who are these new team members? Why did M'gann and Superboy break up? There were two new Robins since then? It's to keep the audience wondering and intrigued about what's going on. Sure, you could do that by covering those periods of time, but that's generic. The Young Justice team chose to take the unconventional, creative route. And the recent time skip was to catch up to the present day as much as they could that way they're able to tell stories that reflect the times we live in... like Superboy talking about why he watches Godfrey's show or meta-human trafficking being an analogue to sex trafficking in the real world, heck even Halo's story as a Quraci refugee.

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    • Allen Knott wrote:

      RobjayRin wrote: even though they were allowed to use her last season they still didn't use as often as the OG team.

      The time skip was for story reasons, its the same reason why they did a time skip between Season 2 and 3

      What is the justification? One time jump is one thing, but they had done it twice (the real world time gap between Season 2 and 3 doesn't matter since it's an animated series). The only justification I can find is it allows the plot to move forward without them had to come up with storylines to get the audience there. Which is why it's a cheap trick. Did the five years gap between Season 1 and 2 do anything to affect Season 2? It could have been more or less and it wasn't had affected the storyline.

      Except they did write stories in between the time-skip, the tie in comics and the game are all stories that effected season 2 and what happened in it, such as the death of Tula.

      Time Skips are good because they allow character to grow up in animation and allow a new cast of characters to appear

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    • Allen Knott wrote:

      Thailog wrote: "Triptych" was animated only by DR Movie. And they've always said 26 episodes. No one has ever said the order was originally 13.

      It that base on anything or just your opinion? I could be wrong on the number of episodes but it seems that 13 was the original plan but "Part 2" was announced.

      Funny how you ask for proof when you make unfounded statements and expect us to take them at face value. We have an extensive coverage of the production of season 3. Greg Weisman announced that the season would comprise 26 episodes on July 21, 2017 at San Diego Comic-Con. There was never a "part 1/part 2" announcement.

      I'll gladly eat crow if you provide refuting evidence.

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    • That he did Thailog, Greg Weiseman actually kept us very well up to date for a person who was insistent on no spoilers

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    • Austin K. Damisi wrote: The purpose of the time skip is to allow for a new status quo that's full of questions that audience has to ask. Like why is Robin Nightwing? Who are these new team members? Why did M'gann and Superboy break up? There were two new Robins since then? It's to keep the audience wondering and intrigued about what's going on. Sure, you could do that by covering those periods of time, but that's generic. The Young Justice team chose to take the unconventional, creative route. And the recent time skip was to catch up to the present day as much as they could that way they're able to tell stories that reflect the times we live in... like Superboy talking about why he watches Godfrey's show or meta-human trafficking being an analogue to sex trafficking in the real world, heck even Halo's story as a Quraci refugee.

      Nothing about Young Justice is unconventional or creative. Nothing. As for telling stories that reflect the times we live in, great! But then they are doing a very piss poor job of it.

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    • If you dislike the show, as it's quite obvious, then leave and find something else you like. Don't waste your time or ours trying to convince us the show is bad.

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    • RobjayRin wrote: Except they did write stories in between the time-skip, the tie in comics and the game are all stories that effected season 2 and what happened in it, such as the death of Tula.

      Time Skips are good because they allow character to grow up in animation and allow a new cast of characters to appear

      The problem with that is if you don't read the comics or played the game (since I had done neither) those don't help you to understand what the hell is going on. I shouldn't have to read a comic in order to understand the series. the comic should expand the universe not included information, that maybe need to understand the plot of Season 2.

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    • Allen Knott wrote:

      Tupka217 wrote:

      Allen Knott wrote:

      Tupka217 wrote:

      Allen Knott wrote: I read an article that the time jump at the end of Season 1 had nothing to do with the story, it was because they could finally use Wonder Girl.

      Those two events are not related.

      Do you have anything to support that statement? An article, a quote by someone working on the show/writing for the show? Anything?

      Do you? Does that article?

      I will look and see if I can find the article again. It had been a while since I read it. If I can I will post a link.

      So, do you have any evidence to support your statement or is that "not related" your opinion?

      First, burden of evidence is on you.

      Second, how does that even work? Why would a time skip be necessary for Wonder Girl.

      Third... if this were true, we would've covered it already. You're welcome to look through Greg Weisman's thoughts by searching for "time skip". None of those mention Wonder Girl. They all mention it was part of the story they plan to build.

      Why are we wasting time on you? Back to the episodes!


      I liked the new voices, though I was a bit disappointed Britt Baron only got a small role. I had hoped for her to get a role on the Team. Also, is this the first time the credits are in two columns?

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    • I can't believe we're actually discussing why time skips happened when Greg and/or Brandon have answered that question in virtually every interview they've given since Happy New Year premiered.

      Stop feeding the troll. No one who posts this:

      Allen Knott wrote: No, but the series should be called Young Drama or Stupid Justice.

      can be seriously considered to be arguing in good faith,

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    • Allen Knott wrote:

      RobjayRin wrote: Except they did write stories in between the time-skip, the tie in comics and the game are all stories that effected season 2 and what happened in it, such as the death of Tula.

      Time Skips are good because they allow character to grow up in animation and allow a new cast of characters to appear

      The problem with that is if you don't read the comics or played the game (since I had done neither) those don't help you to understand what the hell is going on. I shouldn't have to read a comic in order to understand the series. the comic should expand the universe not included information, that maybe need to understand the plot of Season 2.

      The writers have made it quite clear that Young Justice is a show for the fans of these characters and people who enjoy comics, Season 1 was just setting the stage and introducing the general audience , everything else was made for the people invested in the show who who wanted to see more stories from this character.

      and just like Thailog said, if you didn't enjoy season 2 and you arn't season 3 then why are you still watching, go and find something else to enjoy/complain about that is a better use of time to both you and us

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    • Thailog wrote: Funny how you ask for proof when you make unfounded statements and expect us to take them at face value. We have an extensive coverage of the production of season 3. Greg Weisman announced that the season would comprise 26 episodes on July 21, 2017 at San Diego Comic-Con. There was never a "part 1/part 2" announcement.

      I'll gladly eat crow if you provide refuting evidence.

      Never make an unfounded statement. I gave my opinion and nothing else. I wasn't at San Diego Comic-Con on July 21, 2017. So, I'm sorry I wasn't there to hear it from Weisman himself.

      All I heard/read was that they were bringing back the series and later I heard/read that the series was going to be 'divided' into a part 1 and part 2. Again, I said I could be wrong.

      Plus, any statement by Greg Weisman should be taken with a grain of salt. He said the Season 2 was canceled because of "The show's funding was based on a toy deal with Mattel. The toys were not selling enough so Mattel canceled the toy line, pulling the funding for the show. With no sources of income large enough to replace the money from Mattel, the show was not picked up for a third season." Had nothing to do with the declining rating or that Cartoon Network was unhappy with the series?

      I can't stand that man.

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    • ...Anyway, I have to say I love the developing friendship (Possibly relationship) between Violet and Brion

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    • That's not an opinion. That's an unfounded statement.

      Listen, we've been at following this for a long time. We know stuff. Read up before you come charging in next time.

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    • Thailog wrote: If you dislike the show, as it's quite obvious, then leave and find something else you like. Don't waste your time or ours trying to convince us the show is bad.

      Never said I dislike the show. I said I think the show is overrated. I love how if peoples disagreed with you, they tell you to take your ball and go home.

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    • Psypher wrote: I can't believe we're actually discussing why time skips happened when Greg and/or Brandon have answered that question in virtually every interview they've given since Happy New Year premiered.

      Stop feeding the troll. No one who posts this:

      Allen Knott wrote: No, but the series should be called Young Drama or Stupid Justice.

      can be seriously considered to be arguing in good faith,

      I'm trying to have a discussion in good faith and I'm not an internet troll. I simply had a different opinion than most of the fanboys and fangirls on the site.

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    • Austin K. Damisi wrote: I'm a screenwriter and time jumps are a great literary device that allows for storytellers to move forward in time while still being able to keep secrets from an audience. Just like in Season 2, as the season went on we began to learn a little bit here and there about what had happened in the past few years. It keeps things fresh and is a great tool for television series and even more so in animated series because you don't have to worry about actors visibly aging.

      I'm willing to bet that we will eventually get a season of YJ that takes place within that five year gap. Quite possibly right in the middle of it allowing two years before and two years after. I'm not sure if a potential season 4 would do that, but they have a lot of options for what they do next.

      Could be set within the 5 year gap, remember it was a very different team then full of characters we haven't really seen (Lt. Marvel, Sgt. Marvel, Troia's Wonder Girl career, Garth and Tula as team members, plus Jason Todd as Robin! Another option would be to just follow up Season 3 with a season set directly after it or shortly after, maybe a few months a part, and I feel like this is the most likely possibility right now.

      BUT as seen with Home Fires... there are a lot of youngsters that could make a very interesting Team in the future: Jonathan Kent II, Dawn & Don Allen, Anissa & Jennifer Pierce, Amistad Ervin, Artur, Traya Sutton, Lian Harper, and we just saw a young child that's more than likely Damian Wayne a couple episodes ago. Plus Steel is a member of the League, so Natasha Irons is a possibility. I could even see them doing Connor Hawke/Queen somehow.

      These episodes were definitely packed with lots of goodies :)

      Those kids are the future of The Team! I don't care if Dick, Connor, Artemis, Kaldur, M'gann and Wally came first, their older and this isn't called YOUNG Justice for nothing.

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    • RobjayRin wrote:

      The writers have made it quite clear that Young Justice is a show for the fans of these characters and people who enjoy comics, Season 1 was just setting the stage and introducing the general audience , everything else was made for the people invested in the show who who wanted to see more stories from this character.

      and just like Thailog said, if you didn't enjoy season 2 and you arn't season 3 then why are you still watching, go and find something else to enjoy/complain about that is a better use of time to both you and us

      Then the writers are stupid. They should be writing to tell the best story they can. But no, they had to give us the same basic things over and over again. I said they were things I like about the episodes right? But if anyone raising a voice that had a different opinion than the majority, they are told to stop complaining and go away? Interesting.

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    • As layered and entertaining as each of these episodes were, the most exciting part for me was the introduction of Stagg and his exploits. I've been educating myself on Metamorpho recently and I'm eager to see the origin they give him in Young Justice. Obviously, he has to be related to Stagg in some capacity; Stagg set up Rex Mason in the comics to turn him into Metamorpho. Since Metamorpho is featured as the thumbnail for the very next episode (referred to by one of the writers as the team Batman episode), we should be getting some details on his origin as early as episode 10? At least a flashback that explains how he's already associated with Bruce and his crew?

      I doubt Rex would be another random that was kidnapped to be tested for the metagene (most of the people trafficked are kids anyway, right?); he's always been an employee of Stagg in story-lines (not to mention the lover of Stagg's daughter); I wonder whether the creation of Metamorpho is tied to the Reach "metahuman failsafe" that's being headed to Doctor Stone (or if that contraption is going to be the origin of Cyborg [the machine of Reach origin fusing with Victor Stone as opposed to Apokoliptan tech from the comics]).

      Just some thoughts but I'm hyped.

      Shade has one of the most badass designs in this universe, without question. Putting on his signature top hat at the end cemented it, really. It also took a rewind after his Shazam transformation to click that Billy was the one with Barry (why is a forensic scientist transporting a bunch of prisoners by the way lmao). My fault for not realizing; his look is aged but damn is it obvious when you notice the voice actor for Captain Marvel is now being shared by Billy. Side note, let's see more Billy!

      "I thought size didn't matter?"

      "Too big to swallow."

      "You've never had *black* lightning before."

      gg.

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    • Allen Knott wrote: Never make an unfounded statement. I gave my opinion and nothing else. I wasn't at San Diego Comic-Con on July 21, 2017. So, I'm sorry I wasn't there to hear it from Weisman himself.

      "it seems that 13 was the original plan but "Part 2" was announced"

      This is not opinion, it's speculation at best and an unfounded statement at worst.

      I wasn't at San Diego Comic-Con either. I did research, unlike you. It's useful before running one's mouth about things one doesn't know.

      So, to sum up, you've cast aspersions on the show, producer, the writers and fans. It's time for you to go.

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    • I have to say I love that they are setting up the next gen of heroes already, Jon, Damian, Lian, Dawn and Don, Artur/Archer (What is his name actually?) and the other kids.

      I am loving this season more and more everytime I see either Babs/Artemis/Dick/Connor/Megan

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    • Thailog wrote: So, to sum up, you've cast aspersions on the show, producer, the writers and fans. It's time for you to go.

      The last thing, I'm going to say, I wasn't casting aspersions on the show, producer, the writers or fans.

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    • Can we actually go back to what the topic of the thread is guys, lets move on from all this ...stuff and go back to talking about the actual episodes

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    • OK. I did like seeing the Batman family.

      Those, do we know who is Orphan? Cassandra Cain?

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    • most likely seeing as they are taking things from DC: Rebirth although I would have preferred if we had seen her as Black Bat or Batgirl

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    • RobjayRin wrote: most likely seeing as they are taking things from DC: Rebirth although I would have preferred if we had seen her as Black Bat or Batgirl

      I agreed with you there. I'm curious if there is a new Batgirl since we know Barbara Gordon is Oracle and I don't see why Batman would replace Robin but not Batgirl.

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    • maybe Cassandra or Stephanie are in training to take over the mantle, or it could be that Babs going into the wheelchair only happened within the last 6 months or year before season 3 so they haven't chosen anyone for the mantle yet

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    • I thought Stephanie is Spoiler? https://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Spoiler

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    • she is but in the comics she became Batgirl for a period of time, it is possible that they are setting up either her or Cassandra (preferably Cassandra) To take on the mantle of Batgirl. They have done costume/Identy changes before so it is entirely possible or they could do both and have double batgirl

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    • What I liked about these episodes:

      • The return of Mera, Red Tornado as John Smith, Queen Bee, Sportmaster, and Cheshire
      • Daphne voicing Lois Lane again
      • Iris' reaction to Bart calling her grandma
      • Mad Hatter, Livewire, Shade, and Granny Goodness making their Young Justice debut

      What I didn't like:

      • Cheshire refusing to come back to Lian. Some mother she is! She deserves a "Bad Mom" award!
      • The tirade about being left in the dark

      Can't wait to see what happens next.

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    • SonicFan wrote: What I liked about these episodes:

      • The return of Mera, Red Tornado as John Smith, Queen Bee, Sportmaster, and Cheshire
      • Daphne voicing Lois Lane again
      • Iris' reaction to Bart calling her grandma
      • Mad Hatter, Livewire, Abra Kadabra, Shade, and Granny Goodness making their Young Justice debut

      What I didn't like:

      • Cheshire refusing to come back to Lian. Some mother she is! She deserves a "Bad Mom" award!
      • The tirade about being left in the dark

      Can't wait to see what happens next.

      adbra Kadbra already appeared in YJ during Season 1 when they went to the House of Fate.

      And at least Chesire is still a better mother to lian than the comic version of her

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    • SonicFan wrote:

      What I didn't like:

      • Cheshire refusing to come back to Lian. Some mother she is! She deserves a "Bad Mom" award!

      Like father like daughter?

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    • hhmm oh yeah Sports master appeared too! Has his costume seen a redesign?

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    • Other thoughts after having watched the episodes again:

      • "Evolution" may have been my favorite. Getting into Savage's backstory and how his relationship with Darkseid came to be was really good. Also, it seems like Savage just took the name "The Light" from when he and his daughter saved Babylon from Starro and used it in response to the Justice League's formation.
      • I liked the way that the "Tryptych" story was told and the twist at the ending. I assume our six squads would be the Justice League Earth and space squad, The Team, Batman Inc., The Outsiders and... perhaps the Green Lantern Corps? Unless there's another squad we haven't learned about yet.
      • Also, we know why Nightwing hasn't clued his squad members in about Oracle.
      • Looks like one is disgraced from the Light if he or she is ever captured. Alas, Ocean Master's screen time on the show was rather brief. (ETA: Actually, now that I think about it, maybe Ocean Master disgraced himself for targeting Aquaman's son? Seems like the rest of the Light doesn't approve of targeting the offspring of heroes when they are so young.)
      • I still wonder if Bruce Wayne joining with Gretchen Goode is actually Batman trying to infiltrate the Light to learn about the real Partner.
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    • I forgot to mention that YJ disrespects Ocean-Master so hard that it's funny. Gets kicked out of the Light and imprisoned for years only to get killed. Furthermore, Shiva being revealed as merely a member of the Shadows and enforcer of the Light persuades me that Deathstroke is the Shadows' new head.

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    • Ratrangerm wrote:

      • I liked the way that the "Tryptych" story was told and the twist at the ending. I assume our six squads would be the Justice League Earth and space squad, The Team, Batman Inc., The Outsiders and... perhaps the Green Lantern Corps? Unless there's another squad we haven't learned about yet.
      • Also, we know why Nightwing hasn't clued his squad members in about Oracle.

      The sixth team is Robin's squad. The meeting was of the six team leaders, plus Oracle coordinating.

      I assume N is keeping O secret because her sole role is to coordinate the teams. Since the fact they're still working together is top secret, so is she.

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    • Seems like Nightwing didn't learn his lesson from season two and still manipulates his friends and keeps them in the dark.

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    • Nightwing keeping secrets in season two prevented the Reach learning about Kaldur and Tigress when they put Blue Beetle on mode, and thus saved their lives and likely the planet. It had significant downsides, but it was not a mistake.

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    • And nearly turned Aqualad into a vegetable.

      Well, at least he learned not to keep secrets from his most powerful teammates.

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    • You think that's worse than what would have happened when the Reach told the Light about him?

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    • Hindsight is 20/20...

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    • Evolution was the standout (except for Mist. Mist is cute.) though I like em all, it had the most to unpack really.

      - Savage the first Meta. Concerned about another meteorite for some reason as well. I feel that'll come back.

      - Savage as Marduk. Who was thought to have died defeating Tiamat, May need to rewatch Legacy to consider it from this new light.

      - Nabu as Savage's kid. I feel that's more towards Nabu being dealt with this season.

      - Vandal being Genghis Khan. The guy who's the ancestor of most humans, was the first meta? Is the metagene just the sign of his kids then?

      - Starro return, in the more classic form. Explains why they knew what the echinoderm in S1 could be used for. Curious though.

      - Kassandra's neat. I'm hopeful that she's not Scandal-y in any way, we frankly have too many Ninja-Daughter-of-Villain heroes/antiheroes as is. If she's firmly in the Controller/tactical/historian/Warworld Operator role, then there's a lot more space for interesting development with her (if any is desired)

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    • Granny as a member of the Light raises some questions. If she is part of Darkseid's elite, then isn't her membership redundant and even a conflict of interests? After all, the Light/Darkseid partnership is ultimately leading up to in-warring.

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    • Allen Knott wrote:

      Tupka217 wrote: Complainers said the same at the start of season 2.

      Doesn't mean it is not still valid. Season 2, in my opinion, was worse than Season 1 (primarily because of the 5 years time jump), which in my opinion as someone who write their own stories is a cheap trick.

      Hey. This is a great show. Everyone wanted it to come back and see a certain show that will not be named go in the trash!!

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    • In any case, I'm just glad that we finally know what happened to Ocean-Master. Should we put this as an answer for one of season 2's previously unanswered questions?

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    • I figured she was just there as the main emissary for Apokalips tbh.

      I loved her clash with G Gordon though. I think that's just rivalry and G Gordon making it more credible enough that Wayne would work with her. The Anti-League, Pro-Light Pundit going against Goode, *but* using the tried and consistantly failing arguments used against games and television for decades, so totally not going to actually jeopardize their effort.

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    • Ashcat19 wrote: I figured she was just there as the main emissary for Apokalips tbh.

      I loved her clash with G Gordon though. I think that's just rivalry and G Gordon making it more credible enough that Wayne would work with her. The Anti-League, Pro-Light Pundit going against Goode, *but* using the tried and consistantly failing arguments used against games and television for decades, so totally not going to actually jeopardize their effort.

      He just better hope that the Female Furies won't decide to shut him up for good.

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    • Did the wiki or anyone tweet Weisman about these new characters yet?

      Evolution

      • Was that Thunder & Lightning (not the Pierce sisters of course) from the Teen Titans comics with him in the 13th century?
      • Was that Gravyen in the b.g. when Savage and Darkseid shake in the 13th century?
      • The name of the meta Kalibak sacrifices?
      • Cassandra and Olympia are original characters or existing DC characters?

      Triptych

      • Was that Bullock and Montoya stuffing Stagg into the police car?
      • Was Shade one of the unidentified prisoners present at Belle Reve Penitentiary in season one?
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    • When I saw Granny Goodness, the fact that they invoked her, I knew things were about to go down.

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    • Mrmichaelt wrote: Did the wiki or anyone tweet Weisman about these new characters yet?

      Evolution

      • Was that Thunder & Lightning (not the Pierce sisters of course) from the Teen Titans comics with him in the 13th century?
      • Was that Gravyen in the b.g. when Savage and Darkseid shake in the 13th century?
      • The name of the meta Kalibak sacrifices?
      • Cassandra and Olympia are original characters or existing DC characters?

      Triptych

      • Was that Bullock and Montoya stuffing Stagg into the police car?
      • Was Shade one of the unidentified prisoners present at Belle Reve Penitentiary in season one?
      • Re: Thunder and Lightning: my thoughts exactly.
      • Re: Grayven: hadn't thought of him. Was thinking Steppenwolf or Kanto and neither really fit.
      • Re:Cassandra&Olympia: Cass is from Legends of Tomorrow, actually. I thought it was a New 52 character, but I was confused with Kassidy Savage/Kass Sage. No idea on Olympia.
      • Re:Bullock & Montoya: yup, same thought.
      • Re: Shade: I don't think so. I still have to check which two of the guards they used, luckily I screengrabbed that.
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    • Given the appearance of what is very strongly implied to be Damian Wayne and Jonathan Samuel Kent, I look forward to a ten-year timeskip for Season 4.

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    • Tupka217 wrote:

      • Re:Cassandra&Olympia: Cass is from Legends of Tomorrow, actually. I thought it was a New 52 character, but I was confused with Kassidy Savage/Kass Sage. No idea on Olympia.
      Oh yeah, that's right. Legends. I almost thought Cassandra and Olympia were just named after myths.

      Tupka217 wrote:

      • Re: Shade: I don't think so. I still have to check which two of the guards they used, luckily I screengrabbed that.
      Curiosity got me and I'll rewatch Terrors. As for the guards, I don't know if it'll help them, but I noticed on the transport that Barry and Billy drove - for a hot second you can see the lettering on the side - Star City Stateville Penitentiary.
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    • Zergrinch wrote: Given the appearance of what is very strongly implied to be Damian Wayne and Jonathan Samuel Kent, I look forward to a ten-year timeskip for Season 4.

      That would be way too much. The Season 1 characters would no longer be "young" at all.

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    • Mrmichaelt wrote: but I noticed on the transport that Barry and Billy drove - for a hot second you can see the lettering on the side - Star City Stateville Penitentiary.

      Same. That could have a page, probably at Stateville Penitentiary. No idea whether it's from the GA comics.

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    • By the way, was that Nabu from the story, Doctor Fate? People have put "Nabu was once a human .............." on his page.

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    • He did have the Helmet on.

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    • Yeah, I know. I just was not sure if it was him, because it was not explicitly stated.

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    • Great to see the majority of the new characters they've introduced so far. Surprised Supergirl hasn't found an appearance on the show (yet?).

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    • Besty17 wrote: Great to see the majority of the new characters they've introduced so far. Surprised Supergirl hasn't found an appearance on the show (yet?).

      I was thinking the same things. At first, I thought maybe it was because of the TV show (Supergirl), but then I thought maybe having Superboy meant there were no needs for Supergirl since they basically had the same power, minus the fact that Supergirl can fly.

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    • Allen Knott wrote:

      Besty17 wrote: Great to see the majority of the new characters they've introduced so far. Surprised Supergirl hasn't found an appearance on the show (yet?).

      I was thinking the same things. At first, I thought maybe it was because of the TV show (Supergirl), but then I thought maybe having Superboy meant there were no needs for Supergirl since they basically had the same power, minus the fact that Supergirl can fly.

      Does the show have any character restrictions? Strange to think you have a whole Bat Family and Superman has both Connor and Jon but not Kara?

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    • I don't think so anymore, they used to when it was on CN with certain characters for a small bit like Donna in season 1 but I don't think they do now

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    • I was talking about character restrictions. I meant maybe they don't see a need for Supergirl. Those, i think it would be nice to see her and a new Batgirl.

      What about Harley Quinn, Huntress, and Batwoman? I know we had seen Batwoman in the background as a hologram but she should actually appeared on the show.

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    • We might see Batwoman, if she's part of Batman's outsiders. It's also possible she's just used as "padding" for Bat-related League characters, as that was basically her Bad Blood character model.

      There are tons of DC characters that aren't in the show. They have to work in the story.

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    • Ouch, this thread took a nose dive right out the gate. Glad we deaded that squabble; though I do love hearing dissenting opinions, sometimes.

      "Evolution" may be the best episode of the entire series; never seen worldbuilding like this. Greg and Brandon are creating one of the most ambitious storylines in all of DC's history.

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    • Minus the fact that the Evolution required a leap of faith that Darkseid would rather had Vandal Savage as an ally than to conqueror the Earth. Also, the idea that the Light was created in response to the Justice League had gone to the waste side.

      The entire concept of when it was done just to them two, they would settled who overrated the galaxy, is not only insane, why would Darkseid allow a enemy that could someday defeat him? Because it's stupid. It created more questions that can't be answers.

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    • https://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=15898

      Questions: 1) What year did Savage start recruiting for the Light? 2) What year the Light fully come together (when L-7 joined)

      Answers: 1. After the League was publicly announced. 2. Shortly after Savage extended invitations.

      So either, Greg changed his mind or he word can't be taken as correct. Which mean some of his other comments come into questions.

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    • Uhm... no. That says nothing about the formation of the Light. Only recruitment.

      Which means you can't weasel yourself out of that last one.

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    • Vandal Savage was happily going about, spreading his metagene through the population, making efforts to guide humanity to reach it's full potential by balancing survival of the population vs the need for obstacles for humanity to overcome and evolve, allowing humanity to reach its full potential, to allow them to conquer the galaxy and then defeat Darkseid.

      Then the League comes along and Vandal thinks their presence protecting humanity tips the balance too far to one side. He can't deal with the League on his own, so recruits some like-minded, powerful individuals to aid his cause (who may or may not know the full story behind Savage's plans). He calls them the Light, reusing a name from centuries past. Together they come up with a plan that not only counters the League's influence, but actually uses the League to massively accelerate humanity's development by attracting scientifically advanced aliens (the Reach) to Earth to study and weaponise the meta-gene, before expelling said aliens, and allowing Darkseid to begin/scale up his conquest of the galaxy using meta-human weapons.

      As to why Darkseid and Savage would reach such an agreement - both are incredibly arrogant, we're talking quite literal god complexes here. Certainly Darkseid would never seriously consider the idea that humanity (or anyone) could ultimately defeat him, no matter how powerful and useful they may become in his war against the rest of the galaxy. And ultimately what alternative did Savage have?

      Though I'm sure both have plans to betray the other, and equally sure both expect the other to betray them. As for the who, when, and how, we'll have to wait and see.

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    • I just rewatched it - does this mean everyone with a metagene is a descendant of Vandal?

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    • I mean it's possible the same mutation occured separately in other individuals, but I certainly took it that way.

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    • Tupka217 wrote: I liked the new voices, though I was a bit disappointed Britt Baron only got a small role. I had hoped for her to get a role on the Team.

      I was also expecting her to voice a heroine. She was good. Maybe it was also a cast gag, as both she and Daniela Bobadilla worked together on Greg's Rain of the Ghosts AudioPlay.

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    • Tupka217 wrote: I just rewatched it - does this mean everyone with a metagene is a descendant of Vandal?

      He's Apocolypse, now.

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    • Tupka217 wrote: Uhm... no. That says nothing about the formation of the Light. Only recruitment.

      Which means you can't weasel yourself out of that last one.

      Then maybe the wiki should be changed: The group was founded by Vandal Savage somewhere between 2006 and 2007, after the Justice League was publicly announced,[1][2] to counteract the latter's role in preserving society's "calcified status quo". In his view, the League inhibited mankind by protecting it from disaster, crime, and tragedy—factors needed for humanity to evolve.

      https://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/The_Light

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    • I'm all for Vandal Savage working behind the scene in support of peoples like Cesaer, Genghis Khan, Hitler, etc, but the notion that Vandal Savage WAS those peoples I find to be highly offensive because it being disrespected to the real history, and yes I know it a fictional cartoon but still the real history and real peoples matter more.

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    • Allen Knott wrote: I'm all for Vandal Savage working behind the scene in support of peoples like Cesaer, Genghis Khan, Hitler, etc, but the notion that Vandal Savage WAS those peoples I find to be highly offensive because it being disrespected to the real history, and yes I know it a fictional cartoon but still the real history and real peoples matter more.

      Fairly sure that one's been around since the Golden Age.

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    • And double checked: yep, Green Lantern #10. He was Cheops, Julius Caesar and Genghis Khan, but then decided being in the limelight was too dangerous and instead became advisors of others.

      Strangely, he was an advisor of William the Conqueror, who lived before Genghis Khan.

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    • Tupka217 wrote:

      Allen Knott wrote: I'm all for Vandal Savage working behind the scene in support of peoples like Cesaer, Genghis Khan, Hitler, etc, but the notion that Vandal Savage WAS those peoples I find to be highly offensive because it being disrespected to the real history, and yes I know it a fictional cartoon but still the real history and real peoples matter more.

      Fairly sure that one's been around since the Golden Age.

      Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Arrow, if I remember correctly, make Vandel a center figure in several raise of historical figures, which if you think about it for more than half of a second, make more sense. Because we know Ceaser was stabbed to death and Khan is thought to had fallen in battle, which is why it makes more sense to be the man behind the throne and not the figurehead.

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    • And that is exactly why he stopped doing it in the comics.

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    • Tupka217 wrote: And double checked: yep, Green Lantern #10. He was Cheops, Julius Caesar and Genghis Khan, but then decided being in the limelight was too dangerous and instead became advisors of others.

      Strangely, he was an advisor of William the Conqueror, who lived before Genghis Khan.

      Wow! One single comic? Is that the comic from 1962?

      Besides, I didn't say they hadn't done it before. I said I dislike that concept. Fictional characters should be around not the actual historical or mythical character. Maybe Vandal Savage was Jesus?

      But would it had been just as dangerous in the ancient world?

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    • Tupka217 wrote: And that is exactly why he stopped doing it in the comics.

      Still, make more sense if he been doing it since the beginning or at least still the dawn of written records. Because 50,000 years is a huge time jump between that and recorded history, what is around 3500 B.C.

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    • Green Lantern #10, 1942. For sale here.

      The story doesn't make much sense, but it has to work in a frame of reference for a 1940s child. They won't know much history, and won't question in.

      Aside from the mentioned Khan/Conqueror discrepancy, it also makes him a million years old, but identifies him as Cro-Magnon, which was 40.000 years at most. And it says he's Cheops - which works fine in the story, but as soon as he crosses over with Hawkman, that becomes an issue because Khufu is part of his origin as well. All those people he has been/has claimed to have been show up later in the comics with no mention of them being Vandal Savage.

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    • Tupka217 wrote: Same. That could have a page, probably at Stateville Penitentiary. No idea whether it's from the GA comics.

      The closest hit I got so far was from a women's facility in Chicago in a Vertigo comic.

      Ninja72 wrote: By the way, was that Nabu from the story, Doctor Fate? People have put "Nabu was once a human .............." on his page.

      The narrator only referred to him as Nabu in that scene. It seems after his death, he was chosen for that Lord of Order role/essence became anchored to the helmet, etc. -- but who knows if we'll learn more about him.

      Besty17 wrote: Great to see the majority of the new characters they've introduced so far. Surprised Supergirl hasn't found an appearance on the show (yet?).

      Weisman said there were no plans for her in season two but is on their master list of 50+ characters they considered to potentially join the Team when they were developing season 1. Implicitly and in theory given enough episodes, she could still appear.
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    • Vandal is the OG President of the Fake Your Death Club.

      As for Jesus, Ra's always made more sense as that role to me.

      I do wonder if Vandal could be the missing link with Sensei and Ra's relations.

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    • Ashcat19 wrote: Vandal is the OG President of the Fake Your Death Club.

      As for Jesus, Ra's always made more sense as that role to me.

      I do wonder if Vandal could be the missing link with Sensei and Ra's relations.

      Ra's is not that old, he is only about 600-700 years old.

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    • Mrmichaelt wrote:

      Tupka217 wrote: Same. That could have a page, probably at Stateville Penitentiary. No idea whether it's from the GA comics.

      The closest hit I got so far was from a women's facility in Chicago in a Vertigo comic.

      Yep, 100 Bullets. It is, however, an actual thing.

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    • Tupka217 wrote: Yep, 100 Bullets. It is, however, an actual thing.

      Huhn. Odd they didn't use something from California like Haven Security.
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    • I’m thinking that maybe for the question about Ocean-Master in episode 203, that question should be moved to answered question since now we know what happened to him during the five-year time jump.

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    • We just know that he was imprisoned, but not what for.

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    • Nice. So we can also add Sun Tzu as a past life?

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    • I could be completely off base, but was that wally in the chair that blew up all those ships in episode 7. The only reason I suspect this is it kinda looks like him, with the three freckles on his cheeks. I don't really know how the speed force could be harnessed so it might not fit. I know the wiki says the kid died, but we don't actually see him blow up with the other ships. Then again, I might just be in the denial stage of grief T.T

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    • No, it's just a trafficked meta-human. Also, I think we CAN add Sun Tzu as a past life since we have a reference to link to.

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    • Change of subject but is Lobo's finger going to regrow in to Slobo [1]??? It's just a theory, but could be an interesting new character!!

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    • Your guess is as good as mine. I certainly wouldn't put it past them to use the finger as a way to clone a Kid Lobo...

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    • So Dr. Helga Jace works for the Light… How else would the Light know that Lobo’s assignation attempt on Forger failed?

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    • But if Helga works for the Light, why would they need to hire Lobo? Helga already knew about the Outsiders.

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    • I might need to watch everything again to be sure, but before Lobo’s attack, I don’t think she knew that Nightwing (and company) was training them to be a team, because of how they kept pushing her away. She didn’t know what Nightwing was planning to do with them (heck, nobody knew what to do with them at first). The Light knew that the Outsiders were still with Nightwing because of her reports, but that was all they knew for certain; so they hired Lobo to confirm what they suspected. If I'm right, it's a good thing that they decided to keep it a secret that the six teams are still working in coordination with one another; otherwise Lightning might have/could tell Helga the truth of everything.

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    • I guess, it just seems hard for me to believe Jeff would spill eveything about the League situation to her but not answer simple questions about what they're doing with Brion and Halo. The Lobo attack didn't even reveal they were an official team as such, just that they were all training together which Helga definitely already knew. And I'm sure she knew they're still looking for Tara. The only thing she might not have known was Forager's involvement.

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    • The Light actually learned from Ra's al Guhl that Nightwing was with Brion, Halo and Forager. Though Ra's isn't a member of the Light, it was mentioned in "Home Fires" that the Light was still communicating with him.

      Most likely, the Light had Lobo target Forager to throw suspicion as to who really hired Lobo in the first place.

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    • Question for everybody: isn't Mera's and Aquaman's son name Archer? The wiki has his page title as Arthur but I'm so sure I heard Arch.

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    • It is written as Artur in the end credits.

      As for the possible duplicity of Jace, I understand everyone suspects her because of her comics background. But, she already knows of Halo. The Light seems not to know her.

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    • Zergrinch wrote: As for the possible duplicity of Jace, I understand everyone suspects her because of her comics background. But, she already knows of Halo. The Light seems not to know her.

      Yeah, the Light still thinks Halo is just an unknown meta. If Jace was informing them, they'd at least be referring to her by Halo, imo.
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    • Hmmm, why didn't Ra's tell them about her power to resurrect?

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    • Maybe he did. Her identity is unknown to the Light, but not necessarily her akills. Also, is it truly her power - a meta-ability? I thought everyone knows that a disassembled Mother Box is possessing her body?

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    • Ashcat19 wrote: Evolution was the standout (except for Mist. Mist is cute.) though I like em all, it had the most to unpack really.

      - Savage the first Meta. Concerned about another meteorite for some reason as well. I feel that'll come back.

      - Savage as Marduk. Who was thought to have died defeating Tiamat, May need to rewatch Legacy to consider it from this new light.

      - Nabu as Savage's kid. I feel that's more towards Nabu being dealt with this season.

      - Vandal being Genghis Khan. The guy who's the ancestor of most humans, was the first meta? Is the metagene just the sign of his kids then?

      - Starro return, in the more classic form. Explains why they knew what the echinoderm in S1 could be used for. Curious though.

      - Kassandra's neat. I'm hopeful that she's not Scandal-y in any way, we frankly have too many Ninja-Daughter-of-Villain heroes/antiheroes as is. If she's firmly in the Controller/tactical/historian/Warworld Operator role, then there's a lot more space for interesting development with her (if any is desired)

      I really hope Mist mike have a big part in the season and doesn't have to commit murder, I mean she's a fresh cinnamon roll that must be protected

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    • Something I don't recall being discussed... Captain Marvel is credited as Shazam now. Wonder how much longer they can avoid saying his name in an episode.

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    • Yeah. Comes from DC. Still silly. Don't know whatFreddy and Mary call themselves now, if they're still active.

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    • Regarding Shazam, I've never understood why they didn't just refer to the former Captain Marvel as Captain Thunder.

      Though in the new Shazam comic, they do have a debate as to what they're going to call their hero selves (though they do have one reference to "the Shazam family," it isn't clear that's what they will go by).

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    • Freddy used to call himself CM3 for a while because he couldn't say his real hero name without also invoking his benefactor's name, Captain Marvel. As Lt. Marvel, he wouldn't have that problem.

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    • Ummm... so obviously DC didn't catch this, but I did Lol On the "Bring Back Young Justice" episode 3 about voice recording they spoil the big reveal about Halo. I won't spoil that for anyone here, but I will say that someone who posted in one of these spoiler discussions was 100% right about Halo and where her powers come from.

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    • Two Halo spoilers, actually. Though both were obvious. But keep Bringing Back discussion on it own thread.

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    • Forgot to mention one thing:

      Good to see the whole "fake death" scenario being used again or it would be too unbearable.

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    • Kind of off-topic, but it was still debatable about whether Beast Boy and Bumblebee were still in the Team or not. But, what about Lagoon Boy and Mal's Guardian. Do you guys think any of these four are still members of the Team?

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    • Yellowwinx8 wrote: Kind of off-topic, but it was still debatable about whether Beast Boy and Bumblebee were still in the Team or not. But, what about Lagoon Boy and Mal's Guardian. Do you guys think any of these four are still members of the Team?

      I'd guess Mal also went on leave to support Karen and probably felt it wouldn't be fair to her he's out there risking his life. Beast Boy is probably on-call, not even part-time anymore. Lagoon Boy is the one I'm most curious about. Figured he may have taken up the mantle of Aqualad, heh.
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    • Maybe Mal got a actual job rather than just hanging out with his highschool friends.

      I'd like to see Lagoon Boy set up somewhere in Atlantis or the MHYC. I'd thought that a role as important advisor/captain of guard type thing that Orm had had in S1 may suit him, sort of like Orin has completely delegated his responsiblilities to his sidekicks. But, would also be cool to see him at MHYC as a motivational speaker, giving the less human looking ones hope and confidence that they're still people.

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