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  • Use this thread to discuss spoilers about the latest Young Justice: Outsiders episodes, released 7/2/19: Influence, Leverage and Illusion of Control.

    Please keep the spoilers limited to this thread.

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    • These three episodes focused a fair amount on Beast Boy -- you can tell he's somebody who doesn't appreciate secrets. You even got the sense he's still not happy about how they faked Artemis' death, given the way he acted when Kaldur'ahm discussed secrets.

      I'm curious to see how Beast Boy's thoughts about how the young heroes should go public turns out.

      Also, you can tell Traci is a big fan of his.

      As for each episode:

      In Influence, it was nice to see one that focused more on Justice Leaguers in space. Also, we finally get speaking parts for Hawkman, Hawkwoman and Guy Gardner -- and regarding Gardner, we now understand why he's such a pain in the rear.

      We got just enough of Big Barda to hint that she may play a bigger role in events to come.

      Looks like those who were suspicious about Helga Jace taking the hairbrush were proven correct.

      We got a Lena Luthor cameo. Let the speculation begin as to whether she plays a bigger role later this season.

      Regarding Leverage, that episode was appropriately titled. One of the better jobs of tying the title to the theme.

      Nice to see them work Task Force X and the Suicide Squad into the mix -- and to see Amanda Waller back. Though we are getting a lot of covert ops teams in this season.

      Also, nice to see they aren't done with Eduardo Dorado Jr. His subplot with Windfall was good.

      Regarding Illusion of Control, I liked how they dropped in a hint here and there that all wasn't what it seemed with "Vertigo" and "Henchy." Watching the episode a second time, you can pick up more on those hints before the true scheme is revealed.

      It was good to see some more of 13 and Static in action.

      That subplot with Artemis and Paula Crock was really good. Also, how observant of Paula to notice the looks Artemis and Will Harper have exchanged with each other -- thought I'll admit it's going to be awkward to see siblings-in-law become a couple, should that come to pass.

      I missed the Karen and Mal cameos on first viewing -- thanks to the YJW Twitter feed for making me look for it again.

      ETA: Also, Greg and Brandon keep finding lesser-known characters to slip into the shows: Windfall [[1]] and Jet [[2]].

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    • I do think Bart and Eduardo is our LGBT rep this season

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    • I didn't catch Livewire calling Mist by her real name, have to see that again.

      Guy is not a "pain in the rear". He's a "pain in the *resses mute button". I liked that his song mentioned Oa and Mogo.

      Windfall is not a lesser known. I mean, she's better known than Nikolas Stofka. At least Jet doesn't speak with a forced Jamaican accent, mon.

      Virgil needs to get a girlfriend. Or, plot twist, a boyfriend. Rick and a hard place, anyone?

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    • FalcoLombardi99 wrote: I do think Bart and Eduardo is our LGBT rep this season

      I don't see any hints about the two of them but I suppose we should stay tuned. I actually think if you go back to Influence when the new team is being introduced into on the Watchtower Halo feels that she is neither a boy nor a girl by human standards. Nice to see we have a Non-binary hero and she was immediately accepted by her peers and boyfriend Brion(Who loves her as a person and not just as a female).

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    • There is a lot of Easter Eggs in this batch of episodes. For Example the Russian Doctor in Leverage looks a lot like Hegla Jace(Maybe her daughter that was taken from her or maybe a sister). Or the fact that Waller was not aware of the Secret Covert Ops of the Justice League.

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    • Captain97 wrote: Nice to see we have a Non-binary hero and she was immediately accepted by her peers and boyfriend Brion(Who loves her as a person and not just as a female).

      Technically, "a genderless soul in a female corpse".

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    • Tupka217 wrote: I didn't catch Livewire calling Mist by her real name, have to see that again.


      I thought I heard Tammy but not sure
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    • Technically, "a genderless soul in a female corpse". </div>

      We are gonna need a new term for that one.

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    • Here are my likes and dislikes for these three 3 episodes.

      Likes:

      • Big Barda's YJ debut. Double G is quite the pro with her big giant voice. And this comes from a guy who met her in person last year.
      • Beast Boy standing up to Gretchen. I now see that Gretchen is really Granny Goodness.
      • The battle between the League and the Furies.
      • The carnival scene before it got demolished later on.
      • Windfall and her English accent. Sounds like a female Brit.

      Dislikes:

      • Tara's evil side being hinted again. I predict a heinous outcome the moment her true colors have been revealed.
      • The bashing on the League and even former member Batman.
      • Windfall being sad after finding her powers hard to control.
      • Perdita's kidnapping being a ploy to tear the carnival to pieces.
      • Static feeling lonely and having no girlfriend for himself.

      Can't wait to see what happens next.

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    • I don't think you apply the term "dislike" correctly.

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    • Thailog wrote: I don't think you apply the term "dislike" correctly.

      Would you rather I said "Pros and Cons"?

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    • I just don't know what you mean by "dislike" or "con". Why did you dislike "The bashing on the League and even former member Batman"? That's what Godfrey does. Would you like it more if he was a good guy and defended the JL? He's a bad guy that's what they do. Basically everything under your dislike list consists of things done by the antagonists. Would you like it more if everyone was good and nothing bad ever happened? That would be a very different and boring show.

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    • I for one am really glad we're going back to one weekly episode next week. It gives us more time to digest and appreciate what happened AND update the wiki.

      Random thoughts:

      • I enjoyed all three episodes.
      • Rant about voice work: I know that unlike like action TV, having an animated character just doing stuff on screen is cheaper than having it speaking, but sometimes it feels really lacking when you have action scenes and some characters only grunt. In "Illusion of Control" they should have had at least ONE member of Onslaught say something. They're usually pretty chatty. They could have had Yuri and give lines to Junior and Tommy, but I suspect they had to sacrifice that for budgetary reasons and instead have Static repeat a comic relief line about getting a girlfriend (and more importantly, drop a hit that Eduardo and Bart are a thing. It felt especially weird having Tara, whom we know to be a mole and is kind of a big deal, not say one single word in all her appearances.
      • Speaking of Eduardo and Bart, why are they shying away from making their (supposed) relationship explicit? They can show Halo getting impaled every other episode, but they can't have two dudes holding hands? If you watch closely, Bart doesn't even really kiss Eduardo. Then he spends the rest of the episode calling him "amigo" and Eduardo mulling over Wendy.
      • And speaking of Halo, the shock of seeing her brutalized has officially worn off. That's just being done now because they can. (And yet, they can't show two dudes kissing in normal speed or holding hands). It's also becoming a plot contrivance, considering she's the only one that EVER gets mortally wounded, obviously because the writers can heal her and not anyone else.
      • It seems obvious Gar is going to part ways with the Team and maybe found his own of publicly known metas.
      • Artemis and Will... please no. It's... weird.
      • Since when are Manta, Boomerang and Mallah metas?
      • I knew Halo was up to something in 301!
      • I love Studio Mir and you can really tell when it's them at the helm. I seems the producers resort to that studio every time they make a Beast Boy heavy episode (with transformations that is).
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    • Not just Tara.

      I felt weird that neither SB or MM had any lines in the Thanksgiving episode, so much so that I forgot about the former in the Non-speaking appearances list. Same for Helga and Brion, they did plenty without uttering as much as a grunt - this marks the latter's first non-speaking appearance, I think.

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    • In Illusion of Control if you start and stop it good enough you can see a kiss on the cheek from Bart to Edurado around 36 second mark. As for why they aren't doing more to show off their relationship It could be because

      A: They are together but are keeping it secret from the team so they only show affection like Bart did to get away with it in public since they are still in the closet.

      B: DC isn't ready to promote a LGBT couple yet but they are warming up to it so this is a tiny Easter egg to tease it.

      C: They are dating, everybody among their friend group knows, and its not a big deal whether they are dating or not.

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    • Captain97 wrote: In Illusion of Control if you start and stop it good enough you can see a kiss on the cheek from Bart to Edurado around 36 second mark.

      Being picky now, but if you watch the scene frame by frame, you can see his lips never touch Eduardo.

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    • Gar forms The Titans!

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    • Enda McNabola wrote: Gar forms The Titans!

      I was thinking of the Titans after seeing the latest episode too.

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    • When has it been even slightly hinted that Eduardo and Bart are a thing? Did I miss something?

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    • Littlemetzler wrote: When has it been even slightly hinted that Eduardo and Bart are a thing? Did I miss something?

      Most notably, Virgil's "I need a girlfriend"/seventh wheel refrain makes absolutely no sense unless Bart and Ed are a couple. There's also that hug at the beginning which was somewhat more intimate than the ones Bart gave the others.

      Also, Greg has just retweeted this: https://twitter.com/azgizmo/status/1146561910243917824

      All that being said, I would really like to see a same-sex relationship getting depicted equally to the opposite-sex ones. If Devastation can call Simon "baby" and we can have three couples kissing in the space of seconds at the end of Nightmare Monkeys, then they can damn well show a couple of guys at least holding hands or something.

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    • That makes the whole Wendy awkward smiling bit make no sense.

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    • Two possibilities:

      1) Ed has no romantic interest in Wendy, he simply sees a lot of himself in her and wants to help her. She may be interested in him and misinterpreting his interest in her, and it may lead to conflict when she finds out he doesn't like her that way. (Isn't Windfall sometimes a villain in the comics? Maybe she doesn't handle rejection well.) This may also explain why the relationship is depicted relatively subtlely - so it isn't too obvious to Wendy, and perhaps to surprise the audience alongside her.

      2) Ed is bi and attracted to Wendy while also being in a relationship with Bart. Love triangle time.

      Both of those make more sense to me than Virgil complaining about being left out as one of THREE unattached guys in a group of seven.

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    • Psypher wrote: Two possibilities:

      1) Ed has no romantic interest in Wendy, he simply sees a lot of himself in her and wants to help her. She may be interested in him and misinterpreting his interest in her, and it may lead to conflict when she finds out he doesn't like her that way. (Isn't Windfall sometimes a villain in the comics? Maybe she doesn't handle rejection well.) This may also explain why the relationship is depicted relatively subtlely - so it isn't too obvious to Wendy, and perhaps to surprise the audience alongside her.

      2) Ed is bi and attracted to Wendy while also being in a relationship with Bart. Love triangle time.

      Both of those make more sense to me than Virgil complaining about being left out as one of THREE unattached guys in a group of seven.

      That is interesting and would make for a great introduction of Windfall as a villain. Maybe have Livewire, Mist, and Windfall be a new Villainess trio.

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    • To me, it just looks like Bart is being his overly friendly self. Nothing seemed "romantic" between them, just friends. Reminds me of how my friend and I behave around our other friends, we're very affectionate ppl. But despite what it might appear to be, we are just friends with our friends. But you can't do certain actions or express yourselves in affectionate ways these days without ppl jumping to the assumption of you being romantically involved. Which is pretty annoying. But that's what people jump to.

      Could Bart be asexual? I like to interpret him as so. I would love it if he were, God knows we need the representation in media instead of getting orientation changed (looking at you Riverdale). I doubtbit, but its not wrong to hope is it? Wishful thinking on my part 😅

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    • Then why was Virgil a seventh wheel with two other unattached guys there? Even if they were both in relationships we don't know about, they were on their own at the fair and paired off in the same way as Gardita and Jaime/Traci. And we would expect Virgil to be closer to Ed than anybody else there, so if anything Bart would have been the odd man out.

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    • I think you are reading too much into it. I've been this "seventh wheel" in the group. Yes, I've felt loneliness creep up on me while the friends I was paired up with chatted away about some boy group and their "smexiness". I swear they forgot I was there until we hit the Disney teacup ride. I also been paired off with couples, notably when I had to chaperone one of my younger siblings dates. It's awkward being their with the google eyes, and kisses, but some stuff to embarrass them later. I've also been the one to ignore a friend when I start chatting up with a newer friend. It happens, it's not weird or defining someone as in a relationship. I can see how it may appear in our culture now as any small thing that could hint at romance is jumped on, but it isn't always the case.

      One of my guy friends explained to me once that its a feeling of feeling lame and bizare being seen hanging around a group of single guys/girls in public. Especially if you're in a group where the other two, or four, are immersed in a topic you know nothing about, have no interest in (me with the boy group conversation), or they make you feel as if you are intruding on their friendship. It happens. Or you in the group with the one friend, or friends, that does a lot of embarrassing stuff so if they do something that is funny but no to you you may feel scarlet by association. Double points if its a popular dating place and one of your friends brings their partner. They're going to want to focus on their date, despite saying you can hang. Feeling like your intruding, or embarressed, and seeing all these couples makes you want somebody. According to him. Also according to him, your friend bring his date to your friend outing is like a rub it in your face moment. But he had just come off a bad break up and was in a mood when he ranted to me about his feelings, we got paired up because he wasn't really in the mood for the games and I wasn't feeling spectacular that day so we just hung out at the picnic tables while everyone else played flag football. But, I'm oversharing, it's not improbably Virgil could feel something akin to that.

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    • Isn't this just what you are reading into it? And your reading requires a way larger stretch of the imagination and includes straight up ignoring half of the episode. They're dating. Whether they're h, b or p we don't know.

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